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  1. Mystere Win User

    Windows 10's Spartan Browser Not Planned for Windows 7...


    Sorry, address line scalable? I have no problem resizing the address line. I can't make it multi-line, but I can resize it or even make it full width. What are you referring to? Or do you mean in Modern mode?

    You can certainly turn off various kinds of media in IE. Have you ever looked in advanced options? Have you looked in Flash options?

    MS has the Do Not Track flag.. what else would you want?
     
    Mystere, Jan 28, 2015
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  2. cognus Win User

    hmmm... maybe something changed. last time I looked, there was no way to alter the scale of font used in the address bar. everything else can be zoomed, or defaults changed, but not that [many many have so noted]

    please tell me what build you refer to so I can talk apples/apples *Smile
    I am on 9879
    I see nothing in Flash settings that allows the user to toggle a particular flash media window. on/off.
    as to images, there are spam advertising images, and there are useful images. for chrome and firefox there are numerous addons, apps, for nuancing the type of visual content that is allowed. none are perfect [because our desires are as numerous as people] but many are "good enough" to block a lot of the very clever 'sponsored news' that clutters many websites.
    Sorry, address line scalable? I have no problem resizing the address line. I can't make it multi-line, but I can resize it or even make it full width. What are you referring to? Or do you mean in Modern mode?

    You can certainly turn off various kinds of media in IE. Have you ever looked in advanced options? Have you looked in Flash options?

    MS has the Do Not Track flag.. what else would you want?
     
    cognus, Jan 28, 2015
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  3. Mystere Win User
    You didn't mention anything about font sizes. I thought you meant resizing the bar, which you can do. The only way to change the font size is to change your overall DPI settings.

    There are settings in Advanced Internet Options...


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    You didn't mention what you meant by privacy improvements.
     
    Mystere, Jan 29, 2015
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  4. sygnus21 Win User

    Windows 10's Spartan Browser Not Planned for Windows 7...

    I guess the OS still being in beta form might has something to do with that? *Huh

    Microsoft could create the golden goose with the heavenly browser and they'd still get slammed because its Microsoft *Sad
     
    sygnus21, Jan 29, 2015
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  5. Do not track flag *Confused
    You realize do not track is voluntary for tracking sites.... right :/
    Which means do not track is utterly useless *Tongue
     
    ThrashZone, Jan 29, 2015
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  6. Well duh! It's the same reason why didn't make DirectX 12 for 7 or IE 9 for xp, it removes incentive for people to upgrade for one, the other is working backwards through older technology and code to make something like a new browser run flawlessly. There is no point in doing that when Microsoft's already targeting the ENTIRE marketshare of 7 to upgrade to 10 for free.

    But considering Microsoft as of late, I really wouldn't be too surprised if they did or at least built it for android and ios. Cortana is already known to be considered for development beyond Windows, Spartan could possibly as well. That would be a BIG deal because that would mean that is the first browser since the '90s that's been beyond Windows.
     
    Coke Robot, Jan 29, 2015
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  7. Mystere Win User
    And there's no way a browser can prevent a server from tracking what the user is doing... it's impossible, so the only possible privacy tool is a voluntary one in which both sides follow the rules.

    A voluntary flag is better than no flag at all, since that means at least those who are following the rules will not track you.

    Simply put, there is very little a browser can do to prevent servers from tracking what you do.. Everything you do leaves tracks... from internet router logs, to web server logs, to network traffic analyzers and data aggregators. Once it leaves your computer, you have no control over it.
     
    Mystere, Jan 29, 2015
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  8. jimbo45 Win User

    Windows 10's Spartan Browser Not Planned for Windows 7...

    And there's no way a browser can prevent a server from tracking what the user is doing... it's impossible, so the only possible privacy tool is a voluntary one in which both sides follow the rules.

    A voluntary flag is better than no flag at all, since that means at least those who are following the rules will not track you.

    Simply put, there is very little a browser can do to prevent servers from tracking what you do.. Everything you do leaves tracks... from internet router logs, to web server logs, to network traffic analyzers and data aggregators. Once it leaves your computer, you have no control over it. Hi there

    Totally TRUE.

    How do you think Police / FBI etc can get hold of your emails. Hollywood is getting in on the act trying to track users downloading movies from torrent sites -- this is not easy to do but given enough time and resources it's solvable.

    Once stuff leaves your machine it's essentially PUBLIC DOMAIN - even though it might not be in Common Law.

    Someone somewhere with the appropriate level of technical skills and resources will be able to access your content until it's totally removed from every server which carried the data and any other computer(s) connected to the internet which may have accessed the files too. Even if you THINK stuff has gone it might still exist on someone's computer. How do you think the Pirate Bay torrents have been replicated around the world in spite of TPB itself still being down.

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    jimbo45, Jan 29, 2015
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  9. cognus Win User
    so my original points stand.
    would be nice if 'new/improved' IE of the future would allow true customization - including resizing the address. lotta good it does to alter the bar - what's the point?
    I don't need to change DPI - taking a sledgehammer to a gnat.

    right about flash - no way to select individually what flash content I WANT, versus all/nothing.

    thx

    There are settings in Advanced Internet Options...

    Attachment 11364

    You didn't mention what you meant by privacy improvements.
     
    cognus, Jan 29, 2015
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  10. cognus Win User
    in the 'developed West', all individual freedoms are effectively gone. from habeas corpus to "privacy", without a peep. All federal election candidates, if challenged, will say "oh yes, our intent is to win back individual freedoms" then do exactly the reverse, strengthening the 'supreme soviet' of the 1% - in whose employ they serve [shortest path to riches].

    all individuals and entities must pay for their "web access", and that right there is the end of your privacy. you do not have control of your cell-renter or your ISP/rent-lord. A FISA court will rubberstamp a request for all your records to some sub-contractor of a sub-contractor of the spook-agency-du-jour and all your stuff is gathered and parsed in secret, and your internet slumlord will be jailed if he/she/it peeps about it.
    Governments spy on Governments also - no entity is free or private despite herculean "security measures".
    blackhats switch to whitehats and back again fluidly. today's "malware' hero is tomorrows government strategic 'cyberwarfare' code developer. anyone, anywhere can be framed and convicted of web crime easily - and be totally innocent - and the bad actors that plant the stuff you're convicted on will get away without leaving a trace.
    Brave New World.


    And there's no way a browser can prevent a server from tracking what the user is doing... it's impossible, so the only possible privacy tool is a voluntary one in which both sides follow the rules.

    A voluntary flag is better than no flag at all, since that means at least those who are following the rules will not track you.

    Simply put, there is very little a browser can do to prevent servers from tracking what you do.. Everything you do leaves tracks... from internet router logs, to web server logs, to network traffic analyzers and data aggregators. Once it leaves your computer, you have no control over it. Hi there

    Totally TRUE.

    How do you think Police / FBI etc can get hold of your emails. Hollywood is getting in on the act trying to track users downloading movies from torrent sites -- this is not easy to do but given enough time and resources it's solvable.

    Once stuff leaves your machine it's essentially PUBLIC DOMAIN - even though it might not be in Common Law.

    Someone somewhere with the appropriate level of technical skills and resources will be able to access your content until it's totally removed from every server which carried the data and any other computer(s) connected to the internet which may have accessed the files too. Even if you THINK stuff has gone it might still exist on someone's computer. How do you think the Pirate Bay torrents have been replicated around the world in spite of TPB itself still being down.

    Cheers
    jimbo
     
    cognus, Jan 29, 2015
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  11. BunnyJ New Member
    Well, this thread is going well,

    Purple for sarcasm..
     
    BunnyJ, Jan 29, 2015
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  12. unifex Win User
    I thought this thread was about a new MS browser ... which of course no one has seen yet, so it's mostly pure speculation anyways ...

    As far as browsers are concerned, I do not use IE much, so I'm not that familiar with the settings, but last time I checked - and that was a while ago, so if you guys tell me things have changed, I would be grateful - the following features of Firefox (or its clones, like Pale Moon) were not implemented in IE:

    selectively delete cookies on exit
    accept cookies until I close Firefox
    control "referrer" settings (yes, that might break some sites)
    be able to run separate profiles (as in separate instances of the browser) simultaneously

    I find these features important for feeling more secure (I say feeling since these days it's hard to say what's actually private and secure, as you guys have pointed out).

    As far as tracking my activity on the internet, sure, if someone would want to spend the time and effort they would find out everything I ever did, however, if I visit a random website, how would they know anything about my internet history if that history is not stored on my computer, I access their site from a different IP, and don't give them my name?
     
    unifex, Jan 30, 2015
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  13. echrada Win User

    Windows 10's Spartan Browser Not Planned for Windows 7...

    Why are you testing anything at all? Close up your computer and get an abacus.

    And for the rest above (all off topic), this is windows 10 news HOW?
     
    echrada, Jan 30, 2015
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  14. BunnyJ New Member
    Why are you testing anything at all? Close up your computer and get an abacus. Actually I got Me to run just fine for years. *Wink But seriously, Not everyone is going to love Win10 or MS. But the comparisons to OS's that were really bad is getting old. Win10 so far is a nice OS, IMO of course.

    Jeff
     
    BunnyJ, Jan 30, 2015
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  15. cognus Win User
    sorry.... I took the detour to "privacy features" which is a lot bigger [LOT] than browserology.
    btw - will new IE have sync'ing?

    on android and IOS I much prefer Dolphin. its probably the fastest, most stable, and most customizable browser I've used. smartly, they don't want to fool with a fast shrinking PC market.
    I Like IE for youtube, of all things, because it is demonstrably more efficient with youtube. that said, it is probably not true on desktops with dedicated vid cards [good ones, that is..]. Chrome is awful of late, efficiency-wise, but what its good at is speed among a lot of open tabs as long as vids are stopped [flash objects "click to play".... would be a nice feature for IE-n]
    its also quick to coherency - browsers in general these days try to trick the appearance of being "fast to start" but it ain't so. FFox's latest is a long wait - take a bathroom break. Chrome is legit fast on the first search or address input.
    opera is too slow to matter - that is from a dead start, and apparently no one there is ever going to fix the awful bookmarks management - dreadful.
    in the past I hated IE ["internet exploder"] and counseled all my dependencies to avoid - but those days are past for me. no hate. good for some tasks.
     
    cognus, Jan 30, 2015
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