Windows 10: Youtube VP9 and FIrefox

zongo · Dec 20, 2020

A new issue that I did not have before is regarding the vp9 decoder google is using for Youtube.
I do not have a new rig but rather an old one.
This decoder is now killing my machine when I watch Youtube video. Heavy use of CPU. I do not have the possibility of hw-accl with the rig I have.
I have tried to disable vp9 from howtos by setting this to false 'media.wmf.vp9.enabled'. Its a no go.
Any one has any other alternative ? I like youtube and would like to continue using it. For the moment I am using SMPlayer which is very nice still.

:)

newtekie1 · Dec 20, 2020

Firefox, randomly, does not allow all You Tube resolutions - why?

I believe the problem is that Firefox 50.0 doesn't properly support the newest WebM VP9 Codec that Youtube has started to use for some of its videos.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

If you go to that page, you might get a red exclamation point on the WebM VP9 box with Firefox but they all should be good with Chrome. The problem is that Firefox reporting of VP9 support to websites is buggy right now. Sometimes it tells the websites it can support it, sometimes it does. So if you go to that HTML5 test page, 9 times out of time it will show all is good, but every once in a while it will show a red exclamation point on WebM VP9. So any videos that Youtube has converted to the VP9 format after upload might now work in Firefox randomly. To get around this, Youtube also makes alternative versions available in the VP8 Codec as well as the Flash Player. However, these alternative versions are only available in a limited selection of resolutions, usually up to 360p for VP8 and sometimes 720p for Flash.

You can try downloading the 51.0 beta, they may have fixed the bug in that version, I don't know. Or just wait for the official 51.0 to be released in January and hope they fixed it by then.

Download and test future releases of Firefox for desktop, Android and iOS.

Brink · Dec 20, 2020

WebM, VP9 and Opus Support in Microsoft Edge

Starting with EdgeHTML 14.14291, the open-source WebM container format and the VP9 video and Opus audio codecs are supported in Microsoft Edge. These are available to websites that use Media Source Extensions (MSE) to adaptively stream video content. Windows Web Apps (built on the same Edge APIs) will also be able to use WebM streams containing VP9 and Opus. This change will be available in stable releases starting with the Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

VP9 is an efficient open source video codec developed as part of the WebM Project by Google. The VP9 and WebM project team recently joined the Alliance for Open Media effort where their work on VP9 is expected to be a significant contribution to the next generation of open-source, royalty-free video codecs.
Opus was developed by the Xiph Foundation to support both bandwidth-efficient speech/RTC applications as well as high-quality media playback – all within one codec. Opus is the primary audio codec paired with VP9 in the WebM specification.

We are adding support for these formats to simplify building interoperable websites, and to provide an alternative format for compressing 4K video content. To try them in Microsoft Edge, please install the most recent Windows 10 Insider Build.

Background

Microsoft has been providing support for Media Source Extensions (MSE) since Windows 8.1, initially through support for ISO-Base Media File Format (ISO-BMFF) content that uses fragmented MP4 containers with H.264/AVC video and AAC audio. More recently, we added support within MP4 for H.265/HEVC video and Dolby Digital multi-channel audio, formats targeted at high-performance media.

The WebM Byte Stream Format has existed for some time. It defines the specifics of using VP9 and Opus with MSE. VP9 is an open source video codec that has efficient compression well suited to HD and 4K streaming. Opus, similarly, is a very efficient open source audio codec. They are used together by some prominent websites – notably YouTube – that value them for this efficiency, especially on content with greater than 1080p resolution. Adding WebM, VP9 and Opus to Microsoft Edge means the full experience on these websites will be possible in the Edge browser.

VP9 and Opus Performance

Our implementation of VP9 will support software decoding and, when supported by the device, hardware decoding via the DXVA interface. Video decoding is computationally complex, so the best experience will be seen on computers that have VP9 hardware acceleration which is optimized for 4K decoding support, a feature which will start to become common on devices later this year. Software decoding can yield good performance, but will work best on more powerful desktop or laptop computers.

There’s a side effect of high computing load on software decode: system power consumption is elevated. The elevation is highest on 4K content because the computing load correlates closely with video resolution. If we compare software decode to hardware accelerated decode, software decode may consume 20% more total power when viewing a 1080p video, and up to 80% more power viewing 2160p. The following charts compare hardware video decode to software video decode at different resolutions on a mid-level laptop computer:

This difference in power consumption is important because hardware acceleration is common for H.264, but not yet for VP9. If websites see VP9 is supported, they may prioritize using it and users will experience an unexplained reduction in battery life.

Ideally, there would be a way for apps to confirm hardware acceleration itself is supported. Current web specifications don’t allow for this. For this reason, we’ve put VP9 behind an experimental flag in Microsoft Edge, and have provided a default setting for it that automatically enables VP9 when hardware acceleration is detected. VP9 is not supported on Windows mobile SKUs at this time.

Audio codecs, Opus included, don’t have the same power concern and are usually decoded in software. We have, however, elected to put Opus behind an experimental flag as well. Opus is supported on Windows mobile and desktop SKUs.

Managing Experimental Flags

You can manage the settings for VP9 and Opus by navigating to http://about[b][/b]:flags in the address bar.

Flags may be used to change the default settings for VP9 and Opus. These default settings are:

Opus: Enabled

VP9: Automatic

The “Automatic” setting for VP9 enables VP9 if hardware acceleration is supported on the device. We did this for the power reason previously discussed as well as the potential on less powerful computers to experience frame drops when doing software decode on higher resolution streams. The full set of VP9 flag settings and their meaning are:

Automatic: VP9 is enabled if hardware-accelerated VP9 decoding is supported

Enabled: VP9 is always enabled and available for use

Disabled: VP9 is always disabled

These settings allow users to have VP9 always enabled or disabled, in addition to our default setting. We encourage experimenting with these settings and look forward to your feedback.

The “Enabled” default setting for Opus means the Opus codec will be enabled and available for website use, and will show up in the MSE MediaSource.isTypeSupported capabilities query. It’s possible to disable Opus using this flag, which would make it unavailable for playback and show as unsupported via isTypeSupported().

VP8 video and Opus audio are important formats for WebRTC support, and have different considerations regarding hardware acceleration. The Edge WebRTC implementation supports VP8 and Opus regardless of the flag settings. See Roadmap update for Real Time Communications in Microsoft Edge for more information.

Integration

VP9 and Opus support can be queried by websites. With VP9 and Opus enabled, the following Media Source Extension capability checks will return “true”:

isTypeSupported ('video/webm; codecs="vp9"')

isTypeSupported ('video/webm; codecs="vp9, opus"')

isTypeSupported ('video/webm; codecs="opus"')

isTypeSupported ('audio/webm; codecs="opus"')

And these will return “false”:

isTypeSupported ('video/webm')

isTypeSupported ('audio/webm')

If VP9 is on “Automatic”, it will show up as supported on systems that have VP9 hardware acceleration, and won’t on systems that don’t.

MediaElement.canPlayType() is used to check capabilities for file-based playback. Edge will respond to any WebM canPlayType() calls with an empty string (the defined response for “not supported”) since we are only supporting WebM on MSE right now.

Microsoft has an ongoing effort to expand codec offerings in Windows. WebM, VP9, and Opus are our latest format additions. We continue to evaluate other formats and look forward to receiving feedback as we work on implementing them.

Please send us your feedback so we can further improve our media support in Microsoft Edge!

– Andy Glass, Principal Program Manager, Silicon, Graphics & Media (VP9 video)
– Neil Hinnant, Program Manager, Silicon, Graphics & Media (Opus audio)
– Jerry Smith, Senior Program Manager, Microsoft Edge (Media)

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Source: WebM, VP9 and Opus Support in Microsoft Edge | Microsoft Edge Dev Blog

Josey Wales · Dec 20, 2020

Youtube locking computer, both in Chrome and FireFox.

I am not the only one who is having this problem with YouTube. All of the support forums for YouTube, Chrome, and Firefox suggest solutions that are useless. I'll disable my extensions and see what happens. I am not going to spent a lot of time on this as I have numerous other ways of watching Youtube. I'll be sure to report any solution.
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That is quite odd, I use Youtube everyday with Firefox 58 and Firefox 59 BETA 3 without any problems.

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