Windows 10: Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again

Discus and support Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again in Windows 10 Support to solve the problem; Hi there This "update in place" mechanism is a PAIN if it fails during the process -- this means you actually have to restore the previous image of... Discussion in 'Windows 10 Support' started by jimbo45, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. jimbo45 Win User

    Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again


    Hi there

    This "update in place" mechanism is a PAIN if it fails during the process -- this means you actually have to restore the previous image of your OS (if you have one), remedy the error and start again.

    Mine failed because I was nearly out of HDD space for the OS so it ran out of space. OK I restored the OS from an image, used GPARTED to increase the partition size and then OK started again. OK this time.

    Now in the "REAL WORLD" there will be many people who could be rendered with an inoperative computer if the update in place fails and there isn't an automatic roll back or the roll back fails. Some people (probably MOST who aren't on these forums) STILL don't take regular reliable backups !!! - Idiotic I know but true. !!

    Having an ISO would eliminate a lot of this - just wipe your HDD and install clean -- what's wrong with that idea.

    (I know currently there are some get around's on this (Kari's tutorial for example) but the average user won't do that of course).cre

    The update in place is a DOG on VM's too - probably worse than on a REAL machine - especially if you run out of HDD (Virtual) disk space for the OS. You need to backup the image of the VM, Create a NEW VM and then restore it !!. You can't just image the OS or copy the Virtual Disk files.

    Cheers
    jimbo

    :)
     
    jimbo45, Oct 22, 2014
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  2. please bring back Cortana

    Hi,

    I have read that 5 people, and a total of 10 up votes (not including me), want Cortana back in Windows 10 Education editions. Why don't you bring it back???

    Windows 10 was Awesome
     
    Windows 10 is Awesome 2016, Oct 22, 2014
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  3. please bring back Cortana

    Hi,

    I was wondering can you please bring back Cortana on Windows 10 Education. I upgraded my homeschool computer because they recommended that I do it and gave me the download link and the activation code. When I was done installing windows 10 from windows 7
    Cortana worked the first time it was on with windows 10 and after that Cortana didn't work. I am mad, the school said that one of the things you should recommend to upgrade was Cortana I went to this site Personal Digital Assistant - Cortana Home Assistant - Microsoft and
    clicked on launch Cortana and all it did was this:
    Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again [​IMG]


    Please bring back Cortana, it wasn't my choice to choose Windows 10 Education. I like Cortana to set reminders for me so I can go on my classes at the correct time.
     
    Windows 10 is Awesome 2016, Oct 22, 2014
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  4. Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again

    Good idea to have the option of this to download it

    The only problem is would this work ok for the average user, I cant see many wanting to download an ISO, clean install and then install/setup all their apps again

    IMO, the in place upgrades/updates as they are now are best for the average user, for more technical the ISO could be offered
     
    paulsalter, Oct 22, 2014
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  5. Edwin New Member
    With Windows 8 Upgrade Assistant, most average users didn't know enough to choose the "Save as ISO for installation later" option either, but it would be nice for them to run the updates/upgrades like that always.
     
    Edwin, Oct 22, 2014
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  6. z3r010 Win User
    z3r010, Oct 22, 2014
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  7. ARC1020 Win User
    ^^^^ Pretty much this, Microsoft should always make an ISO available (particularly for major updates) for people who want to do a clean install. What quite often happens is a family member or friend (or tenforums member) will end up doing it for them. Having an ISO that can be downloaded, saved to DVD/USB stick, then used on multiple machines is the best way.
     
    ARC1020, Oct 22, 2014
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  8. Rickkins Win User

    Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again

    Rickkins, Oct 22, 2014
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  9. badrobot Win User

    Most users buy PCs with pre-installed OS. Those are the targetted users for this type of upgrade. Those are the people who probably don't mess around with partitions.



    And then there's us who likes playing with these OSes. If one chose to build his own PC and install his own OS, it is safe to assume that he has knowledge about PCs and knows how to go through and recover from a mess.



    I created the ISO last night and it took me about 15mins.




    Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again [​IMG]




    I do hope MS considers the idea of releasing ISOs on each upgrade. But being creative with the help of forums like this is what fun is all about. *Smile
     
    badrobot, Oct 22, 2014
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  10. Burgurne Win User
    Burgurne, Oct 22, 2014
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  11. Kari Win User
    I think Microsoft is not only testing new features of Windows UI but also testing a new distribution method for upgrades. Of course the normal install media be it a DVD or ISO download from Store will be available for Windows 10 when it's finally released but now, the testing phase with Tech Preview, they test the upgrade delivery, too.

    The method they have chosen is in fact quite good; the ESD file is highly compressed, in case of Build 9860 the ESD file is 1.1 GB or 30% smaller than the ISO created from it:


    Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again [​IMG]

    MS used the ESD (Electronic Software Delivery) file format first time in Windows 8 to 8.1 upgrade and is now apparently testing it further with Windows 10 Tech preview. I welcome this new upgrade method, 30% compression ratio is quite remarkable.
     
  12. Wasn't the no ISO deliberate, this time around, so they could test the upgrade process? That's the gist of what I've been reading anyway. This way anybody that wants the new build pretty well has to do the upgrade. Well the average Joe anyway. As we can see somebody already figured out a way around it, if your doing more than one PC.
     
    alphanumeric, Oct 22, 2014
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  13. Saltgrass Win User

    Ms PLEASE bring back ISO's again

    I pretty much agree with the sentiment of a continuing update process as opposed to new OS releases as the way future upgrades will be handled.

    It might be nice to have the Source files, especially since we all saw what a mess the 8 to 8.1 upgrade was because of that process.

    But who is to say future upgrades would even be a full version of the OS, so having an .iso would do you no good.

    If Microsoft does go to a online periodic upgrade, possibly paid for, I have no idea how they would implement that. I just know, I don't really like the idea of a yearly lease since that would basically force you to buy a new OS ever 3 years, depending on the yearly cost. But we can only speculate for now, such as would Microsoft offer to backup your system online, for a small fee. *Wink
     
    Saltgrass, Oct 22, 2014
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  14. Tews Win User
    The ISOs are all over the web, in the usual places, but I would not risk using these! You might get more than you bargained for... *Wink
     
  15. Kari Win User
    Upgrade one machine to Build 9860, then create your own ISO to be used for clean install: ESD to ISO - Create Bootable ISO from Windows 10 ESD File
     
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